Knight is pretty awesome.

[Ben]

Its verry odd from were I'm standing.

On the one hand everything china does is pretty much immensly fucked up.
On the other hand we have a factory in china and I talk to people in china every day and they're some of the nicest people you'll ever meet.

[mixofsunandcloud]

That's because Chinese people are not necessarily the same as the Chinese government.

[Agrajag]

It's the same way the US government can be full of idiots (in both parties) and yet individual Americans can be completely reasonable (or even stupider). Government != individual.

[Ben]

Yeah except that the chinese people do agree with the chinese governent (Mostly due to brain washing) but everyone over there honestly beleives that Tibet is evil and in the wrong. They all still beleive that Mau-tse-tung (Spelling?) was the shit and one of the greatest leaders etc and get really offended if you bring up the fact that he massacared thousands of citizens.

[Pirate Jack]

Yeah except that the chinese people do agree with the chinese governent (Mostly due to brain washing) but everyone over there honestly beleives that Tibet is evil and in the wrong. They all still beleive that Mau-tse-tung (Spelling?) was the shit and one of the greatest leaders etc and get really offended if you bring up the fact that he massacared thousands of citizens.

You have a factory in China? I do not have one of those, but I do live only an hour on boat from China (Vancouver).
National symbols have a way of messing up perceptions of things. American like Washington, despite the fact that he owned slaves and went all genocidal on the First Nations. Commonwealthers like the monarchy, despite the fact that Kings and Queens have done some seriously fucked up shit.

[Ben]

We, the company I work for does all there printing in China and I have to call up the head of the chinese factory every day to make sure everythings going well. Our graphic designer just got back on monday from being over there for a month.l

[pie]

Propaganda can be extremely effective also.

[Pirate Jack]

Maybe they should try cake instead.

Edit: Holy crap.

So in San Fransisco they have the coolest police formation I've ever seen.

They have a truck, followed by a duck-shaped car, followed very closely by the torch bearer and an identically dressed decoy. Surrounding the torch bearer and decoy are about a dozen Chinese policemen. Surrounding all of this, is full column of American police, a column of cops on motorcycles, and another column of American police. That's three layers of American police (one on motorcycles), a layer of Chinese police, and a freaking torch decoy.

The headline says: "Torch not going anywhere near end of route."

EDIT: They have an amphibious getaway vehicle. I could not make this up.

[Bronze]

I wish I had an amphibious getaway vehicle.

[Pirate Jack]

I know!

[Jim North]

Like an underwater helicopter!

[Exploding Pigeons]

Seeing as how all the cops in San Fransisco are protecting the torch right now it would be and ideal time to rob a bank (far away from the torch of course).

[Pirate Jack]

I can just imagine protesters robbing banks all over the city so other protesters can get to the torch.

[Knight]

You have little faith in security guards! They are heroes too, you know!

[PyscoUno]

but they're DNA is close to that of Moths, and so they would be after that torch like moths to a flame